hand. folks who support obama saw in joe biden an aggressiveness and passion and defense of the administration you did not get from the president. not nearly as vigorous one last week. in that sense a draw. they both did what they had to do. all comes back down to tuesday night. that really is going to be probably the clutch debate. >> tuesday is the second presidential debate. that is going to be held at hofstra university, moderated by a woman, candy crowley of cnn. townhall style including foreign policy. i just was, what struck me is that it is really split. i think they bethoth appealed t their base. from some polls, women were turned off bay interrupting and laughing joe biden. a lot of people calling for more substance explanation from paul ryan. >> on the other side, if women were turned off by the most tense question of the night the one about role with religion and abortion. clearly paul ryan made it clear, he is pro-life. joe gave a nuanced, answer, look, in my personal life, i accept catholic church's teachings on this. i will not impose that on anybody else.